Special Needs, Special Calling

[00:00:00] Bonnie: And that's where we are now 24 years after Anna was born, what I thought was a curse, what I thought was God pulling us off the field, what I thought, there's no hope, there's no future, Jeremiah 29: 11, I didn't believe it. Now it's Oh my goodness. It's incredible. What's possible.

[00:00:21] Matt: This is the Relentless Pursuit Podcast. where we hear stories from cross cultural workers on what it's really like to be a missionary. The good, the bad, and the ugly.

[00:00:31] Jess: We've heard about a lot of different struggles, obstacles, etc. that our workers have run into. But if ever there was an obstacle that you would see and think, oh, that person is not going to be able to serve the Lord overseas, then This one in Bonnie's life is definitely, I feel like it would be a big one, right?

[00:00:51] But it turns out, right? And you'll hear it as you hear Bonnie's story that this is not actually an obstacle, but it was something that the Lord was going to use so beautifully in Bonnie's life, in the life of her family. And it turns out even the life of an entire community of people in the area where they serve in Southeast Asia.

[00:01:11] Matt: Yep. So we're looking forward to letting you listen over our shoulders as we have a conversation with Bonnie and we also get a chance to talk to her daughter, Anna Joy. So let's just dive in.

[00:01:23] Bonnie: For the last 30 years, my husband and I have been in Southeast Asia. We were able to become part of a group of people like us working in the area where we were.

[00:01:35] And yeah, so we had a very good start to our time. In Southeast Asia. And actually it wasn't until the five year mark where we began to hit some really heavy white water that really shook me, especially to the core of my, my, the foundation of what I believe, because at the five year mark I became.

[00:01:59] pregnant with my second child. My first child was born in the city where we were living. And so we were thinking that we would have our second child overseas cause it was cheaper, but actually it turned out the Lord orchestrated for us. He sovereignly intervened and made it. made it so that we couldn't have our second child in the country where we were living.

[00:02:22] So we had to go back to the States, and if that had not happened, it very well could have happened that we would have had to have an emergency airlift, air vac, out to a country that could help me with the pregnancy, because it turned out to be a high risk pregnancy. And the reason was because the child I was carrying, my second, had Down syndrome.

[00:02:44] For We didn't know it at the time. We just knew I was having high risk symptoms. And it shook me, like I said, to the core of my being, because I did not know how to interpret this. I assumed that we were in line with the Lord's will. Serving in the country where we were we couldn't go any further around the globe before we would start back.

[00:03:08] So we were at the uttermost parts of the earth. How can you know, and to go any further would have been to come back around the other side of the globe. So I was very confused about how this could happen. It started me on a journey of wrestling with God because I didn't know how to interpret this and I didn't know how to reconcile the goodness of God with what was happening to us.

[00:03:32] Um, and I didn't realize at the time that I had faulty theology. I did not have a theology of suffering. And so it was very, the Lord knows these things. And I think. The crisis that we faced in having a child with disability brought all my unresolved issues about weakness and disability to the surface that I didn't know were there.

[00:03:53] Matt: So were you concerned, obviously not just for your daughter and for her health and your family, but also wondering how this was going to impact your ability to continue serving the Lord overseas?

[00:04:06] Bonnie: Absolutely. We assumed we couldn't go back. Our daughter had, was born with duodenal atresia, which is a total block between the stomach and the intestines.

[00:04:16] She also had a slight heart murmur, a hole in the heart. 50 percent of children with Down syndrome are born with heart issues that often require open heart surgery. We just assumed we were not going to be able to go back to the field. So I was devastated. Not only was this having a cognitively disabled child.

[00:04:35] I assumed it meant the end of our vision and what I thought was our calling to serve overseas. So I had a, it was a major crisis for me and, but that's when the Lord, began to help me and work with me, draw close and process what were my issues. And bottom line my, the biggest issue I had was that I had judged Down syndrome disability.

[00:05:01] It's bad. It's bad. So I took the experience as a judgment from God, as opposed, that this was God's it was a big new thumbs down to what we'd been doing thus far. I didn't know it, but that I had a very negative view of disability. And my theology at the time was if God, if you're in line with God's will, to the best of your ability that you know, then God is going to protect you from bad things happening.

[00:05:35] And so that's what we really needed to get at. I needed to get out before I could begin to have hope again.

[00:05:42] Jess: I'm just curious, as you were as the Lord is Restructuring your beliefs about disability, about suffering, about your calling. What were some things that helped you process through all of that?

[00:05:56] Bonnie: It was mostly God's word, scripture verses began really coming to the surface for me and the Lord confronting me with his promises. And one of them was from John chapter After John, I think it's 15, Jesus said to his disciples, you did not choose me. I chose you and I have appointed you to bear fruit that will last.

[00:06:18] And so I really, wrestled with that that through this experience, God was going to bear, bring fruit forth whether it meant we still stayed in Southeast Asia or in the, in America. Yeah. Another scripture verse was from Jeremiah 29. 11. I know the plans I have for you, says the Lord. Plans to prosper you and not to harm you.

[00:06:43] Plans to give you hope and a future. And that one took me a very long time to wrestle with. I couldn't reconcile my experience with God's goodness. Yeah. And and yet I, yeah, so that took a long time and all of this the real culprit in all of this was my worldview, how I perceived disability.

[00:07:07] And so through God's word, he was bringing it to the surface that I had a profound stigma towards disability that was beneath the surface of my under my theology beneath the surface of my experience in life. Oftentimes we don't know that we have a distorted worldview towards this case disability until we're confronted with it.

[00:07:34] And when we're confronted with a reality. It brings everything that's up to the from beneath the surface up to the surface. And so that's when I began to realize I had judged people with disabilities. And it comes from my early years. I grew up and went to early elementary in the sixties, mid to late sixties, early seventies.

[00:07:54] We didn't have inclusion back then. These people were invisible. I never had met anyone with Down syndrome in my whole life until I had my own daughter. And that's a message that I got early on that there's a reason these people, are invisible. And so also it didn't help that at seven months we were given the option to abort Anna.

[00:08:19] That's, that has some values and behind it as well. These were all things, and only confirmed the unspoken subconscious beliefs that I already had. This is bad. This is a judgment. This is a curse. And that's what took me to the edge of, I really had to wrestle with that.

[00:08:40] Matt: In your chapter in the book, Disability and Mission, you describe Anna as a catalyst for good, like yeast in dough.

[00:08:48] And that's because she's integrated into your community. And I know you were talking about when you were younger people with special needs were often segregated. They were isolated and invisible from the rest of the community. So can you tell me a little bit about what you mean when you say that Anna is a catalyst for good in your community there in Southeast Asia, where you live?

[00:09:08] Bonnie: The Lord had to intervene in helping me understand that and he used Matthew chapter 13 verse 33 when he was talking with his disciples about the kingdom of God. And he talks about the kingdom of God. He just said very simply, the kingdom of God is like yeast that a woman took and mixed all through the dough.

[00:09:28] And so I had to think about that. What is yeast? We, yeast is some kind of leavening that when you take it and you mix it in the dough, there's some kind of interaction with the dough that produces gases that causes the dough to rise, right? And so I'm like, okay, so that's what yeast is. And kingdom of God is like yeast.

[00:09:51] A woman took and mixed all through the dough. And so what I was realizing, Anna by this time was already at the international school. She'd been accepted as a special student as long as I was her teacher and her aid. So I was with Anna every day in the classroom. And so I began to be able to observe what was going on with Anna and the other kids in the school.

[00:10:14] And what I was seeing is that these kids were. We're looking for ways to interact with Anna and it was bringing goodness out of them. I was seeing the fruits of the Holy Spirit in elementary school kids just coming forth. Like one time there was a competition where the, sixth graders against the the teachers and Anna had been skipped in line.

[00:10:39] And one of the sixth grade students, a boy, one of the most competitive boys in the sixth grade stopped the whole game and he said, wait. Anna hasn't had her time up, and he pulled her to the front and he gave Anna the opportunity to kick the ball. And of course the teachers gave her the opportunity to run all the bases and she made a home run.

[00:10:58] But what, it was bringing goodness out of these people. Another time, these two boys, fourth grade, were invited Anna to play in a game of tag and I'm watching from a distance and I'm like, oh, because that could go either way, what's their intent here? But it was, I suspected that they were just wanting to get a laugh, that's the, jaded version, but really what they were doing, they wanted to invite Anna to be part of their game and they had the greatest fun allowing Anna to tag them, to say oh, I couldn't, trying to run away from Anna.

[00:11:32] So anyway, this is what I was beginning to understand about that scripture verse that Anna is like a kingdom leavening agent. When you take her and you mix her into the dough of community, what it, there's some interaction that happens. And if goodness is there it brings it out of the other person.

[00:11:53] And I was seeing this happen with the kids and how they were finding ways to include her in their games. And because she was slower than they, and they knew it. She was

[00:12:04] Jess: slower. I know I learned how to make bread recently, actually. And one of the things they tell you about making bread is that you have to need it and like mess with it a little bit in order to build strength.

[00:12:15] in the, like the fibers of the flour and the bread and stuff like that. So that when it does fill with bubbles, then it like forms this nice big loaf. And so even thinking about that and how, cause I'm sure there were so many things that were also really difficult about having a kid with special needs on the field, but that it almost like contributes.

[00:12:34] Bonnie: Yeah, I had to contend with the school because they were not prepared to have a person in the classroom with that level of disability. And the Lord had to Remove those barriers as well and Anna was in the classroom and that's what I got to see When they when she was allowed to be in the classroom, it was incredible.

[00:12:55] Yes, so there was that contending

[00:12:58] Matt: It seems like the challenge is that? You faced as a family have really opened up doors for ministry and opportunity that would not have been there. Otherwise, without facing these challenges. And so even though as you were going into them, you're like, you see them as potential blockages.

[00:13:15] to what God has called you to, and yet ultimately they were doorways into new areas of ministry and connecting with people that you never would have had apart from those areas.

[00:13:28] Bonnie: I never would have, I would never be the way, where I am now if we had not had that. Actually, it's not just Anna, but three children, each with their own unique diagnosis.

[00:13:39] And it's absolutely true. What I didn't understand in the early days is that the Lord was going to use this Yeah. This experience raising children with special needs on the field as my training, recognizing that their weaknesses were an opportunity and an invitation for others to respond.

[00:14:01] It was an opportunity to actually disciple the students and the teachers in Kingdom. Principles having to do with the weak, because you remember what Paul said in second Corinthians verse chapter 12. He said, when I am weak, then I am strong. He begged the Lord to take away the thorn in the flesh.

[00:14:24] And the Lord said, no, my grace is sufficient for you. And he began to understand the principle of weakness. He said, then, therefore, I will boast all the more about my weakness. Because when I am weak, then I am strong. And when I am weak that Christ's power may rest on me. That was in the early years.

[00:14:45] By the end of it Anna was in a junior in high school. They invited her. They wanted to celebrate World Down Syndrome Day. And it'd never been done before. And Anna was the only person they knew who had Down syndrome. And so they invited her to be the guest speaker at the chapel combined with me. And they, and she started out with a worship song in the language.

[00:15:07] It says, yeah, Abba. Yes, father. Here I am your child. And she sang it in the language. And. And it brought everybody to tears. And one sixth grade boy said, with tears in his eyes, to his teacher, I never knew she could sing. And other people, a high school boy, when Anna did a solo, sang a hymn. He, it brings people to tears because there's something of the kingdom of God that is revealed when the strong make way.

[00:15:40] Make way for the weak to be in their midst and among them and don't push them to the side. There's something of the kingdom that's revealed. Like I said yeast, when it's mixed in the dough releases a gas. It's the same when you take the people with disabilities and special needs and you mix them in the dough of community.

[00:16:01] It brings out goodness that's People may not have ever known that was there. It gives them an opportunity. So the school was transformed. They went from having their celebrating their first World Down Syndrome Day to Inviting the disabled community in the city to come for a carnival parents a family day at on the Facilities and the students were the ones that facilitated the games.

[00:16:34] And so the, and they provided buddies for the for the special student and then, yeah, so that the family could enjoy their time.

[00:16:44] Matt: So Bonnie, what does life look like for people with disabilities in your part of the world?

[00:16:51] Bonnie: It's getting better, but I'm in Asia, right? Southeast Asia. And it's pretty known that over, overall, Asia is a shame based culture, right?

[00:17:04] What does that mean when you say a shame based culture? I have a definition here. A shame based culture is a society where people primarily derive their sense of self worth and value from the perception of others, what other people think about them. Actions that are seen as wrong or embarrassing, like disability, lead to a strong feeling of personal shame.

[00:17:32] In shame based cultures, one's identity is heavily influenced by how they are viewed by the community. So you ask me, how is it where I am for people with disabilities, especially parents? And that's what I am, a parent of children with disabilities. And I, Yeah, being a shame base, shame, that shame basically causes a parent to just withdraw because their perception of themselves is that this is a disgrace.

[00:18:05] Disability is a disgrace to the family. It's a disgrace to the people the country. It's a, it's weakness and it, And so how is it for people in that have disabilities, for their families? It's very devastating, I think, if you have a child with disabilities in Asia because That the culture that there's no way in, for you to be able to present it was just like me, you remember, I said, this is the worst thing that can happen.

[00:18:39] I had a negative world view about. Disabilities. Because of my own culture growing up, the messages that I got about disability were, it's bad. That's why you don't see them. These were an invisible population. And it's the same in Asia. They're an invisible population and they're pushed to the sides, to the fringes of society, and they're basically disenfranchised, disinherited by their culture.

[00:19:07] I think it's really interesting that the Lord chose me to have children with special needs because I was about as close as you could get for a Westerner to be a shame based, right? That this was a disgrace. Who sinned? Who sinned, my family or my husband's family, that our daughter was born with Down syndrome?

[00:19:29] That's the same question that the disciples asked Jesus in John chapter 9. Who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind? And Jesus responded, No one. It's not about sin, neither. It's not about sin. This has happened. Disability happens so that the works of God might go on display in their lives.

[00:19:53] And basically, that's what we've been seeing with Anna. And that's where we are now 24 years after Anna was born. What I thought was a curse. What I thought was God pulling us off the field. What I thought You know, there's no hope. There's no future. Jeremiah 29 11. I didn't believe it. Now it's Oh my goodness.

[00:20:14] It's incredible. What's possible.

[00:20:16] Matt: Bonnie, can you tell us a little bit about what your ministry there looks like to families and people who are facing disability? Because I'm assuming, like you noted, the government doesn't have programs at least right now. It's getting better, you said, but it's not as though there's the same safety net or laws surrounding disability that we have here. So what does your ministry look like there in serving families that have disabilities and then how that's integrated into sharing the gospel and in church planting as well?

[00:20:48] Bonnie: I think all of Southeast Asia is moving forward. They're advancing. They're still behind the United States and the West, as far as what they understand about how methodology, how to educate, how to integrate people with disabilities into mainstream culture, into school.

[00:21:07] Our focus is not therapy. It's not methodology, even though I've had to learn a lot to help Anna get through school. I've taken all my journaling and it put it into 10 sessions that we now call Open Heart, a parent support group for parents who have children with disabilities. The Lord has made it possible for me to pull together Parents into support groups and to go through this curriculum called open heart and they are opening up and They are beginning the lights are turning on for them.

[00:21:45] The truth is setting them free from the cultural Stigma that has been imposed on them and projected onto them and their children.

[00:21:55] Jess: So are these parents Christian or are they like familiar with Christianity? Are they people that you connect through the church, all that kind of thing?

[00:22:02] Bonnie: Yes. I'm starting with the church because we have something to work with. They know these scriptures, they know them, but it takes the Holy Spirit to apply it to their hearts and their minds to to enlighten their minds to understand the truth.

[00:22:19] Matt: That's great. And has the church caught a vision for this? Do you feel like, is it improving in terms of their perspective and opportunities in this regard?

[00:22:28] Bonnie: Yes. The church has been shaped by the cultural attitudes as well. They, and they don't know the truth. But there's 20 years ago, the parents were called pastor and his wife to reach out to the deaf community because they could see.

[00:22:42] The deaf community was unchurched because the church had nothing for them. So this family had a vision to do this 20 years ago, and they started a church for the deaf. And the son now has come to our city and has started a church for the children with special needs. And my daughter is a member of this church.

[00:23:02] Jess: So I think we didn't have time to really talk about what exactly. Led you to after being like, okay, we have a kid with a disability. We can't go back to the field. Something, obviously there was a whole journey there to help you realize that no, we're going to continue to pursue ministry.

[00:23:19] We're going to continue to pursue our overseas work. So we didn't get. A chance to go into that whole story. But I was wondering, I'm sure there are parents out there. Maybe someone who's listening to this, who was like, yeah, our family is not like picture perfect and maybe we've got special needs or whatnot going on in our family.

[00:23:33] Do you have any like words of advice or encouragement for people who are wrestling with their desire to serve overseas, but maybe it's just going to look a little different for them.

[00:23:41] Bonnie: I assumed the worst. We all assumed the worst in the very early days. What I realized early on is that if God has given you a child with disabilities, it's a calling.

[00:23:56] We assumed that it was going to sink our ship, so to speak. We had our plans. Our plan was to be you know, overseas Christian workers. But then, and then this happened having children with disabilities and we assumed the worst. But now I understand God wasn't wanting to sink our ship. He was wanting to deepen our call to include disability ministry and he had to do it somehow.

[00:24:27] Because I didn't have that call. That's not why I went to Asia. So if the Lord has given you a child with disability, it's for a purpose and there's potential kingdom potential, like the boy in the five fishes in the. No, five loaves and two fishes he put it before Jesus when you can come to Jesus and just say Lord This is what we have.

[00:24:52] What can you do with it? And Jesus can multiply the little that you have to bless many and that's what basically what I and another kingdom principle I understood through this experience And because Jesus wants to go, may want to go there and he needs somebody to take him.

[00:25:12] Matt: That's great. Yeah. Bonnie I would love if we had a chance and also our listeners had a chance to get to meet Anna. So is that a possibility?

[00:25:23] Jess: Let me go get her. Okay.

[00:25:24] Matt: All right.

[00:25:25] Jess: Hello. Can you hear us?

[00:25:27] Matt: Can you hear us, Anna?

[00:25:28] Jess: How are you?

[00:25:30] Anna: Oh, good.

[00:25:32] Matt: My name's Matt and this is Jess.

[00:25:34] Jess: It's very nice.

[00:25:35] Matt: Yeah. Yeah. It's very good to meet you. I wondered if you could tell us, do you like living in Asia? Living overseas?

[00:25:43] Anna: I do.

[00:25:45] Matt: What's your favorite part of it?

[00:25:46] Anna: I love to serve people with special needs. I'm part of a church with special needs. What's your favorite serving that you do at your church? I love to sing and pray. I do one of those, to speak and

[00:26:06] Matt: What are the kind of things that you like to tell people when you're speaking to a group of people there?

[00:26:12] Anna: For me, is to speak about the gospel, the goodness.

[00:26:18] Jess: Wow. That's awesome. And what's your plan going forward?

[00:26:23] Anna: What I like is knowing the message of God, which is good news.

[00:26:31] Jess: Can you speak the local language?

[00:26:33] Anna: Yes, I can.

[00:26:35] Jess: And so do you, oh, that's great for you. So do you pray and sing in the local language at your church?

[00:26:42] Anna: Yes, I do.

[00:26:44] Matt: Do you have friends there as well that you like to hang out with?

[00:26:47] Anna: Yes.

[00:26:48] Matt: What are the some of the things you like to do there?

[00:26:50] Anna: I like to worship. Praise and worship because I do school and chapel plus church.

[00:27:00] Jess: So what do you do when one of your friends has never heard the gospel before or doesn't know who Jesus is?

[00:27:07] Anna: It's like to accept Jesus Christ as their savior.

[00:27:13] Jess: Get straight to the point.

[00:27:15] Matt: Anna, it's been good to talk to you. Thank you for taking some time to chat with Jess and me.

[00:27:19] Anna: I'm happy.

[00:27:20] Matt: Good. You can give the microphone back to your mom and we'll continue our conversation with her.

[00:27:25] Bonnie: Okay.

[00:27:27] Anna: Thank you.

[00:27:28] Matt: You're welcome.

[00:27:29] Bonnie: I couldn't hear what you guys were talking about.

[00:27:33] Matt: It was fun. Yeah. We were just asking her, about what she does, what she likes to do, what she likes about living there. And. And then Jess asked how she shares the gospel with somebody who's never heard about Jesus. It was cool.

[00:27:47] Bonnie: Yeah, Billy Graham is her the person she looks up to most in life, besides Jesus.

[00:27:55] Matt: So does she like to listen and watch old Billy Graham crusade videos?

[00:27:59] Bonnie: She does. One time, I was reading a book about never let your children be in the alone and when in, in a room with the door shut with a computer, I'm like, oh, Anna's in my room when, with the door shut with a computer and I open the door to make sure.

[00:28:12] And I, she was watching Billy Graham. You should see this. Oh yeah. She's has a passion to preach the gospel. Yeah, that's awesome.

[00:28:28] Matt: So as we wind down to a close here, one thing we like to ask our guests is there anything you've been reading or listening to or watching that's been encouraging you or challenging you in your faith or in your missions journey? And it could be a book or a podcast or a video or a movie or a song.

[00:28:48] Bonnie: I recently read a book written by Henry Nowen on Christian leadership, and he was giving tips to the next generation. The reason he's been able to write these books and speak is because he's partnered with weak, weakness. Yeah. He went into a residential center, residential living arrangement with the cognitively disabled and the Lord began to use him to, yeah, in mighty ways and open his understanding.

[00:29:21] And so one of the things he said that people for the next generation of Christian leaders, they need to be mystics, right? They need to be open to the leading of God will take them into places where they don't want to go. That was with Peter. Remember when in John 21, I think Jesus restored Peter and he said, You, when you were young, you could go where you wanted, but a time is coming when, somebody's going to take you by the hand and take you to places where you don't want to go.

[00:29:54] And I would say that's about, that's accurately describes my experience. I did not want to go into this world of neurodiversity and be responsible to help my kids navigate. especially overseas, having to become a residential expert in things I had, didn't have training for. You know what? It's where the Lord wanted to go.

[00:30:21] And it really helped me to read that book that Henry Nouwen wrote about Christian leadership. Christians need to be mystics. We need to be prepared. To for the risen Christ by his Holy Spirit to come to us through our circumstances sometimes, through our circumstances and allow him to teach us and to train us.

[00:30:44] And that's what he's been doing all along with me when, since Anna was born and Yeah, her name is Anna Joy and how she got the joy part was one day before, before she was born we knew she was coming with Down syndrome and I was just looking up and, reflecting on what the future was. We didn't know what the future was, but a song came to my heart, right?

[00:31:10] From Michael Card and it's from the eighties. It's the refrain goes like this. There is a joy in the journey. There is a light we can love on the way. There is a wildness and wonder to life and freedom for those who obey. And that's basically what this walk has been as a walk of obedience and journey, a journey into weakness, embracing weakness.

[00:31:39] And I'm thankful. Yeah that I've been gifted with those monastic capacities that I've been able to hear the Lord's voice and receive his teaching and leading me to places where I haven't wanted to go.

[00:31:54] Jess: I really loved that line. that Bonnie shared about how she thought the Lord was trying to sink her calling, but instead he was trying to deepen it.

[00:32:05] And I think you really get to see another example of that in our bonus story today, where Bonnie shares about how this experience of having Anna, of going back to the mission field, was then going to deepen her calling and her ministry before Anna could even walk or talk. And so to hear that story, please check out our bonus story in the notes below.

[00:32:26] Matt: Also check out the show notes and we've got link there for disability and mission, the church's hidden treasure. This is a book that Bonnie contributed a chapter to, and it gives a bit more detail of her story. of heading to the field and the challenges and the opportunities that they've encountered in having special needs in their family.

[00:32:46] Also, we have a link there with more information on a Pioneer's ministry called Enabled. And what this is it's a healthcare ministry focused in Southeast Asia that serves disabled people. And so there's an opportunity there for you to give, but also just to read more about what's happening and the types of opportunities that we have in parts of the world where there are not the levels of service and care for disabled people that we have in this country.

[00:33:12] And then also how it opens doors for church planting. Also just want to give a shout out to Joni and friends amazing ministry led by Johnny Erickson Tata. It's been around for years, but I know that Bonnie and her family have contributed and connected with them. And so we have a link there to that.

[00:33:29] And then also a link to the book by Henry Nouwen that that Bonnie mentioned in the interview.

[00:33:36] Jess: Thanks for following us on this episode of the Relentless Podcast. Our goal is to make missions accessible to show that it's not just reserved for elite super Christians. If you want to be involved, just go to pioneers.

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